Schuco Retrojets - yes please [Archive]

rstretton

08-23-2008, 11:06 PM

I really liked the OS boxset that they made recently even if the DC9 was a 717. Plus retro liveries have been in fashion recently. I'd love to see some retro liveries done by Schuco especially of models that Schabak never made or never made in the later mould types. Here are some I'd love to see:

707
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MEA

A300
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Trans Australia Airlines
Air Niugini (Paradise colours)
Cruzeiro do sul
Korean Airlines (1970s colours)

A310
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Nigeria Airways

727-200
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Dan Air
Ansett (1970s colours)
Transbrasil

747-100/200
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All Nippon (1970s colours)
British Caledonian
Condor
Iraqi Airways

747SP
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CAAC

747-300
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Egyptair (1980s colours)

757
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Air Europe

L1011 Tristar
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All Nippon (1970s colours)
PSA

DC9
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Eastern
Hughes Airwest

DC10
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British Caledonian
Air Florida
Japan Airlines (1980s colours)
THY (1980s colours)
JAT
Laker
Mexicana
Condor (Silver body)
World Airways

TU154
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Malev (1980s colours)

IL62
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Tarom (1980s colours)

We can dream I guess! Has anyone any other clasic retro-schemes they'd like to see? Maybe one day I might make some custom models of them?

Super-Conny

08-24-2008, 03:01 PM

lateron..
when I have time to build my favourite airport Hannover I need a lot of historic types and liveries..
- to remember my "young days" -

CV440 SAS,
Viscount BUA,Britsh Eagle,
Vanguard BEA
Bristol Britannia , British Eagle, Caledonian,
Caravelle SAS, SATA -switzerland-, Transavia o/c
DC-6 Transair Sweden,Nordair,Internoord, KarAir,
DC-7 Swissair, SAS, Spantax, Südflug,
and some early jets like Bac 1-11, Trident, Coronado ...etc
..
my first custom model is a DC-6 Sabena

maximilian

08-25-2008, 02:35 PM

What about the special retro c/s adopted by the airliners of today, such as the LH A321, SAS A319, AY A319, IB A319?

I would love to have them! :smile:

LH744

08-25-2008, 04:23 PM

I think it 's a copyright problem, such as Emirates A380, 773., but I also hope so, that one day ...

TriStarCollector

08-26-2008, 02:13 PM

I am a great supporter of any kind of retro jets (actually, I have grown up with aircraft which are - today- supposed to be so-called "retro airliners". :wondering:

Generally, I miss the variety of aircraft types on today's airport scenes. In Dusseldorf, the majority is made up by A320s and 737s, accompanied by a few regional aircraft such as the Dash 8, ATR-42 and -72 as well as the BAe 146, CRJ and ERJ. 757 and 767 are real "highlights" here, whereas the A330 is a common sighting (thanks to the fact that Dusseldorf is LTU's/Air Berlin's home base).

So, here's my first choice for retro jets in 1/600:

Current moulds:
A300 Air France delivery
A300 Singapore Airlines delivery
DC-10 United Airlines 'Stars and Bars' devliery
DC-10 Delta Airlines
L-1011 All Nippon Airways delivery
L-1011 British Airways delivery
DC-8 Super Sixty Air Jamaica
DC-8 Super Sixty Iberia
DC-9-30 Ozark
DC-9-30 Spantax
747-100 PeoplExpress
747-100 TWA 'twin globe' delivery
757-200 British Airways delivery
767-200 United Airlines delivery

Future moulds:
Convair 990 American Airlines
Convair 990 Northeast 'Yellowbird'
Convair 990 Spantax (old, new)
Vickers VC-10 BOAC
Vickers VC-10 Gulf Air
Vickers Super VC-10 British Airways
Vickers Super VC-10 East African
HS.121 Trident BEA delivery
HS.121 Trident Air Ceylon delivery
BAC One Eleven 200/400 BEA delivery
BAC One Eleven 200/400 Braniff (Jellybean)
BAC One Eleven 200/400 Mohawk Airlines delivery
BAC One Eleven 500 British Airways (Union Jack)
BAC One Eleven 500 British Airways (Landor)

I guess that's enough for Schuco to do within the next... um, let's say... 10 years. :wink:

rstretton

08-26-2008, 04:15 PM

Great new moulds but I think 10 years is a bit optimistic!!!

Do you know that Schabak did the United DC10 Delivery colours, Ozark DC9 and People Express 747 as part of their Silverwings collection along with many other classic (mainly) US liveries?

TriStarCollector

08-26-2008, 04:47 PM

Do you know that Schabak did the United DC10 Delivery colours, Ozark DC9 and People Express 747 as part of their Silverwings collection along with many other classic (mainly) US liveries?
Of course, you are correct! Problem was that I had discontinued my 1/600 collecting already when Schabak started to do such great things. I know about the SilverWings releases but, obviously, I don't recall all the releases in detail... :confused:

Well then, let's replace them as follows:

747-100 Wardair
DC-9 Republic
DC-10 Aloha

By the way, as far as I recall Schabak already had the following of your ideas:

DC-10 Condor
DC-10 British Caledonian
747 British Caledonian

CiC

08-27-2008, 04:15 PM

I already sent a long wishlist to Wilfried... should I post the list?

CiC

08-27-2008, 04:23 PM

Oh by the way :bigsmile:

I'd like to share now with the overseas guys the model I'm looking for years now...

In the late 80ies I saw at Frankfurt Airport (the Kiosk on visitor's terrace at concourse C) the "new" Schabak MD-11 UTA...
Noone but me saw this model... does anyone know something more???
Maybe a pic or something???

My decision at this time was to wait as I had no money...:thinking:

And this was at the time the first MD-11 models were produced by Schabak and at the same time UTA, BCal, Aero Lloyd and so had placed orders to McDD...

rstretton

08-27-2008, 04:27 PM

You're right I'd forgotten about the BCal DC10. They did make the BCal 747 and Condor Silver DC10 but sadly never in the later moulds/with small wheels.

You're right Republic (I assume you mean the duck colours rather than the short lived grey scheme) would be a great DC9 as would the Wardair 747. There are soo many good old US airline liveries out there.

The Silverwings models despite their limited production runs are actually not too hard to find it seems and there are regularly ones up on eBay often from US sellers.

rstretton

08-27-2008, 04:29 PM

Wow a UTA MD11 that would be a completely new model that I have never heard of sorry. Please go ahead and post your list the more the merrier!

TriStarCollector

08-29-2008, 04:33 PM

The Silverwings models despite their limited production runs are actually not too hard to find it seems and there are regularly ones up on eBay often from US sellers.
The reason for this - as I assume - might be the fact that the SilverWings series was produced for the collectors' market only. A production run of 2,000 units may appear quite "limited", however, I guess that was much more compared to the spreading of all the regularly released (i.e. for airlines produced) models. Lufthansa may have ordered a total of 50,000 Boeing 747s (so the production run counted 50,000 units), but probably only a few hundreds of these were sold thru retailers and airport shops to collectors - at least, that's what I guess. Therefore, the spreading of the SilverWings models could have been much wider than of most of the mass production releases ordered by airlines. Plus the fact, of course, that the SilverWings came out too late when many former 1/600 collectors had switched to 1/500 or 1/400 already (or even discontinued collecting scale models at all).

CO777

08-29-2008, 04:51 PM

In the late 80ies I saw at Frankfurt Airport (the Kiosk on visitor's terrace at concourse C) the "new" Schabak MD-11 UTA...
Noone but me saw this model... does anyone know something more???
Maybe a pic or something???

Ohhh Olli and his UTA MD-11. Its a never ending story! :rofl::rofl:

The reason for this - as I assume - might be the fact that the SilverWings series was produced for the collectors' market only. A production run of 2,000 units may appear quite "limited", however, I guess that was much more compared to the spreading of all the regularly released (i.e. for airlines produced) models. Lufthansa may have ordered a total of 50,000 Boeing 747s (so the production run counted 50,000 units), but probably only a few hundreds of these were sold thru retailers and airport shops to collectors - at least, that's what I guess. Therefore, the spreading of the SilverWings models could have been much wider than of most of the mass production releases ordered by airlines. Plus the fact, of course, that the SilverWings came out too late when many former 1/600 collectors had switched to 1/500 or 1/400 already (or even discontinued collecting scale models at all).

I always wonder why the first Silver Wings release in 1995 were limited to 1000 models and then raised up to 2000 in 1996. :wondering:
And most models are still available for a really low price so they cannot sold well during this time.

TriStarCollector

08-29-2008, 05:31 PM

Ohhh Olli and his UTA MD-11. Its a never ending story!
Either he mixed up a DC-10 with a MD-11 OR one of Schabak's decal grannies did! My 2 cents worth... :rofl:

I always wonder why the first Silver Wings release in 1995 were limited to 1000 models and then raised up to 2000 in 1996. :wondering:
And most models are still available for a really low price so they cannot sold well during this time.
Good question. I guess the first SilverWings series ran out of stock quite quickly (at least, faster than expected), so Schabak decided to push the limitation from 1,000 to 2,000 in order to raise the profit. However, all this SilverWings stuff was released when the 1/600 collectors market was almost dead... and later SilverWings series did not sell too well.

CiC

08-29-2008, 05:33 PM

Ohhh Olli and his UTA MD-11. Its a never ending story! :rofl::rofl:yep...:giggle:

Super-Conny

08-29-2008, 05:36 PM

edition 1995 :
B747-2 America West
B747-2 Braniff orange
B747-1 Eastern
B747-1 National
DC-10 Western ..

it may happend that some US collectors offer this from time to time in ebay ..
but these are real very rare ......

also after bankrupty of Schabak only a few silver wings models
offered throug ebay in Germany

when I remember correct just allways the same 4 - 5 of the former whole silver wings program ..
spot of today : (stieglitz-1)
DC-10 National , 747-2 Delta, and 707 TWA .. thats it ...

spot of today EbayUSA : (justplanefun)
1011 PanAm and Tu204 Aeroflot ...

all others you never find on ebay until today

CiC

08-29-2008, 05:37 PM

Either he mixed up a DC-10 with a MD-11 OR one of Schabak's decal grannies did! My 2 cents worth... http://www.scale600.com/forums/images/newsmilies/rofl.png
...the Grannies...
I mix up a DC10-10 with a DC10-30 or MAYBE a DC10-40 (but there's a difference in the engines...), but not with a MD-11:cool:

Super-Conny

08-30-2008, 03:52 AM

..the Grannies....

see complete silver Super Conny TWA ...
it must be a single one

TriStarCollector

08-30-2008, 03:58 AM

...the Grannies...
I mix up a DC10-10 with a DC10-30 or MAYBE a DC10-40 (but there's a difference in the engines...), but not with a MD-11:cool:
If you are sure about that I'd definitely vote for...

..THE GRANNIES! :bigsmile:

rstretton

08-30-2008, 05:22 AM

Decal grannies - that is excellent! Has anyone ever spoken with any of these fine ladies that are no doubt responsible for several hundred o fthe versions on the schabak list! Classic.

TriStarCollector

08-30-2008, 06:16 AM

Decal grannies - that is excellent! Has anyone ever spoken with any of these fine ladies that are no doubt responsible for several hundred o fthe versions on the schabak list! Classic.
May be Super-Conny did?! If not, I doubt that anyone has ever seen one of Stolpe's special Grannies... they were kept secret... for good reason, I suppose. :wink:

However, I'd like to protect them against unfair criticism. Their knowledge about commercial aviation and aircraft approached zero, for sure. On the other side, Stolpe's quality control was the same... and, from my point of view, that's the actual reason for all the varieties in Schabak's releases.

And, yes... there's something good in the fact that Schabak does no longer exist. Unfortunately, Schuco does not utilize its resources in order to be of superior quality. Granted, the overall quality is much better, but this is a result of the new production technique (tampo printing instead of using decals). Nevertheless, Schuco produces a lot of stupid errors and, thus, many inaccurate models... :headbang:

CO777

08-30-2008, 06:37 AM

TriStarCollector

08-30-2008, 06:44 AM

Oh yes... that's been the article from better Schabak times, right?! I do not recall the publication, though?! Could you please help, Julian?!

Watch out for all the KLM 747s in the upper right picture! Might have been an additional order from Super-Conny!?! :bigsmile:

CiC

08-30-2008, 06:58 AM

Hey guys, I don't like to blame the grannies - I think they were told to decal the models given to them - and when there's a MD-11 in a lot of DC-10's noone realise this...
Same as in my company, boss tells to do sth, and the staff just do this... noone asks about the sense of the work :bigsmile:

And: I know guys mixing up a Jumbo with a 340... :thinking:

CO777

08-30-2008, 07:32 AM

Super-Conny

08-30-2008, 08:13 AM

Watch out for all the KLM 747s in the upper right picture! Might have been an additional order from Super-Conny!?! :bigsmile:...:crying:
hm, aah .. yes .. may happend :smile:
at least there was :
2x each (5000 plus 8000) NCA 747
1000 DC-9-8 KL ..
2000 DC-8-63 KL
500 F-27 NLM
600 B747F KL
300 B727 Emery
200 1011 Gulf
500 L1011 DL
3000 777-2 DL
2000 (?) 777-2 United
...
rest I cant remember :crying:
it´s long time gone

TriStarCollector

08-30-2008, 01:28 PM

Hey guys, I don't like to blame the grannies - I think they were told to decal the models given to them - and when there's a MD-11 in a lot of DC-10's noone realise this...
... which brings me back to my first theory! If the grannies did not notice the winglets on the MD-11, may be you did not when you first saw the UTA MD-11 at Frankfurt Airport... may be the wish was father to the thought... :itwasntme:

CiC

08-30-2008, 04:09 PM

... which brings me back to my first theory! If the grannies did not notice the winglets on the MD-11, may be you did not when you first saw the UTA MD-11 at Frankfurt Airport... may be the wish was father to the thought... :itwasntme:

Hey I KNOW the difference D10 vs M11- others don't, and if you don't know you don't take care about a slightly longer fuselage and the winglets - that's the point.
And I don't think that the Grannies know the difference, even the Schabak Quality Check don't :bigsmile:
I still try to find this model again :doh:

TriStarCollector

08-30-2008, 06:53 PM

Hey I KNOW the difference D10 vs M11- others don't, and if you don't know you don't take care about a slightly longer fuselage and the winglets - that's the point.
And I don't think that the Grannies know the difference, even the Schabak Quality Check don't :bigsmile:
I still try to find this model again :doh:
Schabak'S grannies never knew anything about aviation, that's for sure.

Concerning your 'mixing up'... I'm just kiddin', Olli! :wink:

Super-Conny

01-02-2009, 08:41 AM

today found picture of an retro B737-8 KLM in airlines.net

PH-BXA ... this should be made as also the A321 Lufthansa ....:thinking:

maximilian

01-10-2009, 06:53 AM

Yes, that's why I proposed several retro-coloured models in the Schuco-owned forum some days ago: SAS 319, LH 321, IB 319, Finnair 319, Austrian 320... But the KLM is great, too! I'd be happy, if they released just one or two of them, but I still like the LH and the SAS best! The Turkish 320 was also really beautiful but it's already gone.